Best Armour for Warriors? - Guild Wars Forums

justinkim · Jul 05, 2005, 05:24 AM // 05:24

I am curious what mix for armours is good for warriors

I know 1 piece or "Reduce Damage" armour is need and thats all i know. I have the ascalon 15k helment, and the rest all gladitor armour. is this a good combo? What do you guys wear?

Also Why does everyone use platemail other than the fact it looks cool.

Antilles · Jul 05, 2005, 06:06 AM // 06:06

Platemail offers the best statistics for warrios.Knights armor seems better at first glance but since runes of absorptions (that's what's built into each piece) do not stack you are only reducing each hit by 2. And 2 really isn't all that much. Platemail offers better defence against attacks and its pretty much the best bang for your buck.

Experiment_Jon · Jul 05, 2005, 06:19 AM // 06:19

I personally prefer Gladiators Armor. It doesn't look as nice as some of the others, but I desperatly need energy, and it gets that done.

justinkim · Jul 05, 2005, 06:24 AM // 06:24

Platemail offers 85 armour and 10armour vs physical attack

Gladitor offers 80 armour and 20 armour vs physical attack

An the fact that you get attacked physical than with magic wouldnt the gladitor armour over 100 in total and platemail only 95?

HellKite · Jul 05, 2005, 06:25 AM // 06:25

I just use all dragons dyed black, I went by looks, also 85 +10physical isnt bad, 75k +materials, dragon helm should be changed, I dont like it

chaos dragoon · Jul 05, 2005, 06:55 AM // 06:55

i like knights over plate in looks.maybe thats just me....

Kashrlyyk · Jul 05, 2005, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Antilles

Platemail offers the best statistics for warrios.Knights armor seems better at first glance but since runes of absorptions (that's what's built into each piece) do not stack you are only reducing each hit by 2. And 2 really isn't all that much. Platemail offers better defence against attacks and its pretty much the best bang for your buck.

Where did you get that information?
When I buy a knights armor, it doesn??t say knight??s armor of minor absorption!

Aloren · Jul 05, 2005, 07:16 AM // 07:16

It has the natural statistic "Reduces damage from attacks" on every piece of the knight's set, so it's like you have that minor absorption rune in each piece without actually having the rune taking up the slot on your armor.

Kalgareth · Jul 05, 2005, 11:59 AM // 11:59

I thought it was like a Major Absorb... 2 pts rather than 1. So if you have a Superior Absorb, which is 3, the "Reduces damage from attacks" mod is neutralized. Right?

EmperorTippy · Jul 05, 2005, 12:51 PM // 12:51

An absorbtion rune and the knights armor stack but you only need 1 piece of the knights armor as those pieces don't stack with eachother. It's the same as a rune and headgear stacking for other classes (so you can have 16 in 1 attribute)

Holywar · Jul 05, 2005, 01:37 PM // 13:37

You guys might want to look up how armor works.

1. For one its regional. Your body has 8 zones it can be hit in. The armor value is applied based to the attack, based on what zone it hits. Yout body and your legs take up more "zones"

Head -size1
Body- size3
Leggings- size2
All others -size1

Thus if you have Gladiators on your Body, but knights on your legs, and the blow the enemy throws at you happens to hit your body, you would have the gladitators value applied to that hit.

2. The Absorpotion ability built into armor is diffrent from the rune. First of all, it alwaysa stacks. Its a built in ability, its only runes that don't stack, not the armor itself. IF you look at the chart above you will notice that gladiators gives that same exact bonus to energy, as it has slots on your body. this of course was by design. EAch peice of Ascalon armor gives you Absorption based true, however i am NOT sure how much it gives you. I would think that it gives -1 per size much like Gladitators gives on energy per size, but i am not sure on this. THat would mean with a Sup absorption and a full absorption set you would have -11 total to your absorption.

3. What is indisputable is that the bonus for Absorption in armor DO STACK. Otherwise what is to keep me from getting one peice of Anscalon armor and then all gladiator armor, and thus get the benifit from both sets? its also pretty clear that gladitor armor has better total against physical attack, only slighty weaker against magic, AND gives you a bonus to energy? for the simple sake of balance the plate bonus has to stack.

4. Armor is not cumulative. In that, if you have a 50 armor piece of head gear, and your buck naked, that doesn;t mean that 50 armoe head gear protects your entire body for 50 armor. it means if your struck in the head by an enemy (because attacks are location specific) You will have that protection, otherwise you are assed out.

I hope i cleared some of that up. Please correct me if i got any of this wrong, i read this in a very thourough guide on this site somewhere.

Enigmatics · Jul 05, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Absorption doesn't stack... So if you got 1 piece of knights armor you *would* get the benefit of the whole set's absorption. You're absolutely right about the mechanics of armor. As a reminder to those debating which armor choice, spells in general always hit your chest piece.

Ninna · Jul 05, 2005, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by Antilles

but since runes of absorptions (that's what's built into each piece) do not stack you are only reducing each hit by 2.

Rune of absorption *does* stack with knights

Platemail vs Knight
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=13945

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

Tested a few minutes ago.

One piece of Knight's Armor gives a universal -2 damage modifier. Multiple pieces of Knight's Armor do not stack.

Absorption runes now stack properly with the bonus from Knight's Armor.

Superior Absorption plus Knight's Boots stacks for a total of -5 damage per hit.

Ninna · Jul 05, 2005, 01:53 PM // 13:53

related discusson on GWOnline

http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=350048

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In short:

Attacks - defined as hitting someone with a weapon to deal damage.

Ascalon/Knights armor privides -2 damage from attacks
Absorption, -x damage from attacks
-minor -1
-major -2
-superior -3
Shields, -x damage whilst (condition)
-either -1, -2, -3
-condition such as enchanted, hexes, life above 50% etc
-reduces damage from all damage sources
-the damage reduction is only in effect when the condition is true. ie: you ARE enchanted (ie: an enchantment spell in on you).

knights and ascalon armor absorption does not stack
knights and ascalon armor absorption stacks with absoprtion runes
absorption is applied globally - that is, it is not linked to individual armor pieces.

The most absorption a player can have is -5 damage reduced from attacks.

Shields stack with absorption, however do realise it isn't the same this as absorption - since absorption only works against attacks, whilst shields (last I tested) works against ALL damage.

The most damage reduction a player can have is -8 (-5 from absorption, -3 from shield modifier).

Damage reduction/Absorption works as follows:

You take 20 damage (after armor etc, but before damage reduction)
You have 5 absorption and 3 damage reduction on your shield.

If the damage was from an attack, you will take 12 damage (20-5-3=12)
If the damage was from a spell, you will take 17 damage (20-3=17)

Enigmatics · Jul 05, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Clarified; I thought you meant something else.

justinkim · Jul 05, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45

So if I have "reduce damage" in my helment and i get hit in my body, it will still -2 the damage? Also purely going on defensive stats, wouldnt gladitors armour be almost similar or even better than platemail since most warriors are hit by phsyical hits. Platemail offers 85 armour + 10 against phsyical = 95 / Gladitors offers 80 armour + 20 against phsyical =100 + the fact i need atleast 24-25 energy

free4all · Jul 05, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Do you not read? "Reduce damage" is universal. It doesn't matter where you are hit, as long as you are wearing one piece of armor with it, that reduction is applied.

Kashrlyyk · Jul 06, 2005, 08:02 AM // 08:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enigmatics

As a reminder to those debating which armor choice,
spells in general always hit your chest piece.

I got hit by a chain lightning for 147 damage! The only way that creature could deal that damage was the spell hit my head and not my chest! Head had AL 30 and I had AL 60 everywhere else, my guildmate had AL 30 everywhere and was hit for the same damage!

Dzan · Jul 12, 2005, 12:20 AM // 00:20

147 is about what I would expect a guy with 16 air magic to do to an armor 60 guy. Remember it has 25% armor penetration.

Ensign · Jul 12, 2005, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enigmatics

As a reminder to those debating which armor choice, spells in general always hit your chest piece.

This may have been true at one point but it isn't anymore. All attacks use hit locations to the best of my knowledge.

Otherwise everything you've said has been spot on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinkim

Also purely going on defensive stats, wouldnt gladitors armour be almost similar or even better than platemail since most warriors are hit by phsyical hits.

Yes, it would.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holywar

3. What is indisputable is that the bonus for Absorption in armor DO STACK. Otherwise what is to keep me from getting one peice of Anscalon armor and then all gladiator armor, and thus get the benifit from both sets? its also pretty clear that gladitor armor has better total against physical attack, only slighty weaker against magic, AND gives you a bonus to energy? for the simple sake of balance the plate bonus has to stack.

It is most certainly disputable because those bonuses most certainly do not stack, under rigorous testing. No, it's not balanced, but that's how things work.

For the seven billionth time, Gladiator's everything with Knight's Boots, the attribute helm of your choice, and Stoneskin Gauntlets if applicible. That is the unconditional best armor in the game, and the only reason not to run that is for looks.

Peace,
-CxE

Jul 05, 2005, 05:24 AM // 05:24	#1
justinkim Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto Guild: NES	Best Armour for Warriors? I am curious what mix for armours is good for warriors I know 1 piece or "Reduce Damage" armour is need and thats all i know. I have the ascalon 15k helment, and the rest all gladitor armour. is this a good combo? What do you guys wear? Also Why does everyone use platemail other than the fact it looks cool.

Jul 05, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45	#16
justinkim Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto Guild: NES	So if I have "reduce damage" in my helment and i get hit in my body, it will still -2 the damage? Also purely going on defensive stats, wouldnt gladitors armour be almost similar or even better than platemail since most warriors are hit by phsyical hits. Platemail offers 85 armour + 10 against phsyical = 95 / Gladitors offers 80 armour + 20 against phsyical =100 + the fact i need atleast 24-25 energy Last edited by justinkim; Jul 05, 2005 at 04:49 PM // 16:49..

Jul 05, 2005, 06:06 AM // 06:06	#2
Antilles Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Silverdale, WA Guild: Confuzion Profession: W/Mo	Platemail offers the best statistics for warrios.Knights armor seems better at first glance but since runes of absorptions (that's what's built into each piece) do not stack you are only reducing each hit by 2. And 2 really isn't all that much. Platemail offers better defence against attacks and its pretty much the best bang for your buck.

Jul 05, 2005, 06:19 AM // 06:19	#3
Experiment_Jon Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Band Geeks Profession: W/Mo	I personally prefer Gladiators Armor. It doesn't look as nice as some of the others, but I desperatly need energy, and it gets that done.

Jul 05, 2005, 06:24 AM // 06:24	#4
justinkim Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto Guild: NES	Platemail offers 85 armour and 10armour vs physical attack Gladitor offers 80 armour and 20 armour vs physical attack An the fact that you get attacked physical than with magic wouldnt the gladitor armour over 100 in total and platemail only 95?

Jul 05, 2005, 06:25 AM // 06:25	#5
HellKite Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: (OoS) Outcasts of Society Profession: Mo/	I just use all dragons dyed black, I went by looks, also 85 +10physical isnt bad, 75k +materials, dragon helm should be changed, I dont like it

Jul 05, 2005, 06:55 AM // 06:55	#6
chaos dragoon Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Warrior Nation[WN] Profession: R/	i like knights over plate in looks.maybe thats just me....

Jul 05, 2005, 07:16 AM // 07:16	#8
Aloren Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Darkstalkers Profession: W/E	It has the natural statistic "Reduces damage from attacks" on every piece of the knight's set, so it's like you have that minor absorption rune in each piece without actually having the rune taking up the slot on your armor.

Jul 05, 2005, 11:59 AM // 11:59	#9
Kalgareth Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Exalted Reign Profession: W/Mo	I thought it was like a Major Absorb... 2 pts rather than 1. So if you have a Superior Absorb, which is 3, the "Reduces damage from attacks" mod is neutralized. Right?

Jul 05, 2005, 12:51 PM // 12:51	#10
EmperorTippy Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005	An absorbtion rune and the knights armor stack but you only need 1 piece of the knights armor as those pieces don't stack with eachother. It's the same as a rune and headgear stacking for other classes (so you can have 16 in 1 attribute)

Jul 05, 2005, 01:37 PM // 13:37	#11
Holywar Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Amhearst, Ma	You guys might want to look up how armor works. 1. For one its regional. Your body has 8 zones it can be hit in. The armor value is applied based to the attack, based on what zone it hits. Yout body and your legs take up more "zones" Head -size1 Body- size3 Leggings- size2 All others -size1 Thus if you have Gladiators on your Body, but knights on your legs, and the blow the enemy throws at you happens to hit your body, you would have the gladitators value applied to that hit. 2. The Absorpotion ability built into armor is diffrent from the rune. First of all, it alwaysa stacks. Its a built in ability, its only runes that don't stack, not the armor itself. IF you look at the chart above you will notice that gladiators gives that same exact bonus to energy, as it has slots on your body. this of course was by design. EAch peice of Ascalon armor gives you Absorption based true, however i am NOT sure how much it gives you. I would think that it gives -1 per size much like Gladitators gives on energy per size, but i am not sure on this. THat would mean with a Sup absorption and a full absorption set you would have -11 total to your absorption. 3. What is indisputable is that the bonus for Absorption in armor DO STACK. Otherwise what is to keep me from getting one peice of Anscalon armor and then all gladiator armor, and thus get the benifit from both sets? its also pretty clear that gladitor armor has better total against physical attack, only slighty weaker against magic, AND gives you a bonus to energy? for the simple sake of balance the plate bonus has to stack. 4. Armor is not cumulative. In that, if you have a 50 armor piece of head gear, and your buck naked, that doesn;t mean that 50 armoe head gear protects your entire body for 50 armor. it means if your struck in the head by an enemy (because attacks are location specific) You will have that protection, otherwise you are assed out. I hope i cleared some of that up. Please correct me if i got any of this wrong, i read this in a very thourough guide on this site somewhere.

Jul 05, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43	#12
Enigmatics Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tenafly, NJ Guild: Defenders of Rillanon Profession: W/Mo	Absorption doesn't stack... So if you got 1 piece of knights armor you would get the benefit of the whole set's absorption. You're absolutely right about the mechanics of armor. As a reminder to those debating which armor choice, spells in general always hit your chest piece.

Jul 05, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56	#15
Enigmatics Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tenafly, NJ Guild: Defenders of Rillanon Profession: W/Mo	Clarified; I thought you meant something else.

Jul 05, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49	#17
free4all Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	Do you not read? "Reduce damage" is universal. It doesn't matter where you are hit, as long as you are wearing one piece of armor with it, that reduction is applied.

Jul 12, 2005, 12:20 AM // 00:20	#19
Dzan Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Black Dye Cartel	147 is about what I would expect a guy with 16 air magic to do to an armor 60 guy. Remember it has 25% armor penetration.